Dr. Mamey threw down the gauntlet and somebody had to pick it up and provide an informed reply to the formidable task of ranking the top Dylan songs of all time. Consider that many of the songs that are left out of both my list and Mamey's list would be top ranked songs for any other artists and you will see how tough a job this is.
So, here it is:
TOP 25
1. Like a Rolling Stone
2. Tangled Up in Blue
3. Mr. Tambourine Man
4. Visions of Johanna
5. Blowin' in the Wind
6. All Along the Watchtower
7. A Hard Rains a' Gonna Fall
8. Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again
9. The Times They are a' Changin'
10. My Back Pages
11. Desolation Row
12. Knockin' on Heaven's Door
13. Idiot Wind
14. Just Like a Woman
15. Chimes of Freedom
16. Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands
17. Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues
18. Mississippi
19. Simple Twist of Fate
20. Shelter from the Storm
21. Positively 4th Street
22. It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
23. Lay Lady Lay
24. Red River Shore
25. Blind Willie McTell
CLOSE BUT NO STOGIE
26. Changing of the Guards
27. Every Grain of Sand
28. Subterranean Homesick Blues
29. Not Dark Yet
30. Hurricane
31. Leopard-Skin Pill Box Hat
32. Ballad of a Thin Man
33. Workingman Blues #2
34. Tryin' to Get to Heaven (before they shut the door)
35. Isis
HONORABLE MENTION and still ALL-WORLD
36. I Shall be Released
37. Gates of Eden
38. Don't Think Twice, it's Alright
39. This Wheel's on Fire
40. Pay in Blood
41. Forever Young
42. Things Have Changed
43. Lonesome Day Blues
44. Thunder on the Mountain*
45. Most of the Time
* How can you leave out the song that is audacious enough to rhyme "orphanages" with "sons of bitches"?
ALBUM RANK:
Blond on Blonde: 5
Bringing it all Back Home: 4
Blood on the Tracks: 4
Highway 61: 4
Singles/Unreleased: 4
Freewheelin': 3
Another Side: 2
Love and Theft: 2
Time Out of Mind: 2
Modern Times: 2
Basement Tapes: 2
Desire: 2
John Wesley Harding: 1
Times are A'Changin 1
Pat Garrett and BTK: 1
Nashville Skyline: 1
Shot of Love: 1
Street Legal: 1
Tempest: 1
Oh Mercy!: 1
Planet Waves: 1
BY DECADE
1960s: 24
1970s: 8
1980s: 4
1990s: 3
2000s: 5
2010s: 1
ps: Mamey's evocation of Jobs to support his "no good song after Desire" argument is a limp crutch. Does Mamey research Jobs to question whether boxers are preferable to briefs or if eggs are better scrambled or sunny-side up? (I hope not). I mean, WTF, stand on your own. I did not refer to the Rolling Stone 2011 Top 70 List.
El Alcalde
El Alcalde
"And I'm gonna let you pass
ReplyDeleteYes, and I'll go last
Then time will tell who has fell
And who's been left behind
When you go your way and I go mine"
Bob Dylan, Most Likely You Go Your Way
The Alcalde post is easier to respond to than the wisdom of investing in Solyndra.
His own final point actually makes the case that his arguments are half-baked. He obviously prefers the judgment of Rolling Stone, the left-wing shill magazine that endorses Obama's re-election over the opinion of Steve Jobs, one of the true geniuses of our generation and die-hard Dylan fan.
The three songs that he sneaks into the top 25 do not deserve to be there over any of the 45 songs on my list. Here are some of the ones that he discards to make way for Missippi & Co:
1. I shall Be Released. A classic tune covered by numerous and diverse artists like Aaron Neville, Maroon 5, Joe Cocker, Neil Diamond, The Band, Bette Midler, The Hollies, and Peter, Paul & Mary.
2. It Ain't Me Babe. Another Dylan classic which has also been well covered by top artists, including Johhny Cash, The Turtles, and Peter, Paul & Mary. FYI, artists, and especially significant artists, mostly cover the best songs--the ones that they feel will be big hits for them, so this is an important indicator of a song's popularity and influence in the music world, where record companies and artists are betting their money and careers.
3. Quinn the Eskimo. Actually, one of Dylan's hit songs, also covered by numerous artists(including Phish), and title song of a Denzel Washington movie, The Mighty Quinn.
4. Don't Think Twice, It's All Right. The snub of this song is unbelievable for all the reasons above, including terrific covers by Peter, Paul& Mary, Waylon Jennings, Johnny Cash, and yes, ELVIS!
5.Girl of the North Country. A tune for the ages that Dylan sand with Johnny Cash. Enough said.
6. One Too Many Mornings. My only comment is "You're right from your side
I'm right from mine
We're both just too many mornings
An' a thousand miles behind."
Some of the best Dylan lyrics EVER.
7.Gates of Eden. "At dawn my lover comes to me
And tells me of her dreams
With no attempts to shovel the glimpse
Into the ditch of what each one means
At times I think there are no words
But these to tell what's true
And there are no truths outside the Gates of Eden." Do you really think anything in Mississippi or the other 2 songs come close to this? Really?
8.It's Alright Ma(I'm Only Bleeding).You've got to be kidding to leave this off, but it's all right, Alcalde, it's life and life only!
9. Mama, You've Been On My Mind. All-world lyrics. The Rod Stewart cover alone makes this one a top 25.
10.It's All Over Now Baby Blue. Again, another well-covered, all-world song.
There are way too many omissions to cover here, but let's just say that to make room for his 3 songs, he has displaced a #1 song on the pop charts(If Not For You), Rod Stewart's great cover which was also in Bobbie Z's Greatest Hits Vol.2(Tomorrow Is a Long Time), the lead song on his comeback tour with the Band--also covered by The Yardbirds(Most Likely You Go your Way), the first pop-rock song of all time(Subterranean Homesick Blues, the best cover song by the Band(This Wheel's on Fire), and the great Forever Young. When it's all said and done, I can offer no better words that from another great Dylan song discarded by the Alcalde,
"Oh, I awoke in anger
So alone and terrified
I put my fingers against the glass
And bowed my head and cried."
I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine
Mamey
Mamey does a truly wonderful job of extolling the greatness of 10 songs that I had a lotta of nerve to rank lower than Mississippi, Red River Shore, and Blind Willie McTell. And I enjoyed reading what he wrote -- they are all-world songs that merit high praise.
ReplyDeleteI can't help but think that if M, RRS, and BWM had been written and sung during Dylan's "glory years", Mamey would have lavished praise on those great tunes as well. Alas, they weren't so Mamey won't. Mamey would have likely joined the 1966 Londoners that denounced Dylan as JUDAS! because he dared break with Folksie orthodoxy and turned electric. Pete Seeger and the Sell Out! lunatics were also dismissive and derisive of Dylan's change. (dismissive and derisive was how Obama declared America during his Apology Tour).
I have lately theorized that Dylan's 1941 birth year was an accidental generational advantage for him. The baby boomers who attached themselves to him were born later. Dylan became the older brother that experienced things, lived things, was disillusioned, walked down the path first. That is still true today. Dylan sings about getting older, life's reflections, true grit, earthy love, justice, revenge, fools, time-wasters. He still sings to us as a pioneer. Listening to his songs a few times helps.
Truth be told, Dylan didn't really care about all those that heaped calumny on him for going electric and still is not swayed by modern day critics. He has always done his own thing.
Excerpt from Pay in Blood released on "Tempest' on 9/11/2012
Another politician pumping out the piss
Another angry beggar blowing you a kiss
You got the same eyes that your mother does
If only you could prove who your father was
Someone must have slipped a drug in your wine
You gulped it down and you cross the line
Man can't live by bread alone
I pay in blood, but not my own
How I made it back home, nobody knows
Or how I survived so many blows
I've been through hell, what good did it do?
You bastard! I'm suppose to respect you?
I'll give you justice, I'll fatten your purse
Show me your moral virtues first
Hear me holler and hear me moan
I pay in blood but not my own
You pet your lover in the bed
Come here, I'll break your lousy head
Our nation must be saved and freed
You've been accused of murder, how do you plead?
This is how I spend my days
I came to bury, not to praise
I'll drink my fill and sleep alone
I pay in blood, but not my own
El Alcalde
There you go again, Alcalde. Attacking Mamey to defend the indefensible. Attacking Mamey is not an agenda or even an argument. Worse, you attack me for things that I've never done!
ReplyDeleteI have tried to bring objectivity to an admittedly subjective debate, but facts are facts.
First, there is only a single known cover of your three post-Desire songs. That's it! Simply put, significant artists are not impressed enough with the song quality to put them on their records. Record companies are not investing their money in the songs.
2.By contrast, the pre-Desire songs were usually covered IMMEDIATELY by the best artists of the time and have continbued to be covered by great new artists through the present date. That speaks volumes.
3. Dylan was never a huge seller of records in comparison to the pop stars of the time. I was at a lunch with Clive Davis(who signed Dylan, Springsteen, Whitney Houston, and many others for Columbia). He said Dylan was not a huge seller, but he was a huge influence. This is no longer the case--no artist of any repute is stepping up to the plate to record his new stuff. However, they are still recording his old stuff!
4. Dylan's career is similar in many ways to Michael Jordan's. Jordan was all-world in Chicago, a bust at baseball, and came back to be very good for the Wizards, but he was no longer Air Jordan.
The pre-Desire Dylan wrote the best songs, the Jesus crap was just that(but I'm betting you thought that was great too, right?), and the resent stuff is very good, but will not stand the test of time.
Mamey
1. The Teller is the Feller.
ReplyDelete"The Alcalde post is easier to respond to than the wisdom of investing in Solyndra." So says Mamey. Yet he flinches when a mild attack is launched his way.
2. Fact are facts and facts are stubborn things. There is FACTUALLY more than one cover of the three top 25 post-Desire songs. One can only wonder where Mamey unearths HIS facts. The Jobs bio or iTunes? --- same shit. If Mamey's facts are wrong on this account, then he is likely wrong elsewhere. All fact checkers are busy on Obama ads, so we may have to wait until after Nov 6th. Strong declarations of facts that are easily refuted make one feel silly.
3. The fork in the road.
Mamey has to decide whether the opinion of other recording artists, musicians, producers are valid proxies for assessment of value. These professionals have already voted by surveys that many post-Desire songs rank highly in the Dylan canon.
4. You cannot judge a song by its Covers.
To follow Mamey's logic, "Yesterday", "Happy Birthday" and "Macho Man" are the best songs ever. They sure are covered a lot. Well, maybe not Macho Man, but I thought it would be funny to include. By the way, the Jesus "crap" has been and is highly covered -- so that kinda throws a knuckleball into the ol' book of facts
5. Dylan's old stuff was great and magical. The new stuff has grit,wry humor, and tells the tale that only a man that emerged from, well, being Bob Dylan, can tell. The poetry and music is different, but it is great. You gotta be patient, but it does pay off.
El Alcalde
1. The Yeller is the Feller. More table pounding, no facts. My arument was directed at your POST, not you personally(see above quote Your attack is ad hominem all the way. No way out.
ReplyDelete2. Where's the Beef? I found only one cover of the 3 songs by the Band(it was without the original members). What are they? Or is the Alcalde not one to tell.
3.The Dirty Fork. You conveniently fail to mention what "surveys" you're referring to, but we all know it's the discredited shill factory known as Rolling Stone magazine. 'Nuff Said.
4. Yesterday and Happy Birthday ARE great songs, but you know very well I did not say covers were the "be all, end all," but certainly a factor that you don't even want to consider as an indicia of a song's greatness. You of course don't tell us who the names of the great artists who've covered the Jesus crap(I know you love that stuff), but the winos and derelicts outside the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church don't count.
5. Michael Jordan was a good player on the Wizards, but he was no longer Air Jordan. Unfortunately, the same is true of Bobby's post-Desire work.
Mamey
Cat fight! Where is Miss Kitty? What kind of cigars did Dylan desire, post and pre desire?
ReplyDelete"Is someone going to draw a pistol or just stand there and bleed?" (poetic licencse quote from Wyatt Earp, Tombstone...in a Saloon). The Saloon is on pins and needles.
Diamond E
1. The Feller is the Feller. Somehow an attack on the POST is divorced from an attack on the POST writer. Me think that the Jobs bro-love/mancrush stings. On the other hand of this octopus, any reference to the numerous Rolling Stone surveys is denounced as commie-influenced argument. Sounds like an obvious and veneer red herring.
ReplyDelete2. If I tell you another cover does that change your mind? I doubt it. But, your FACTS are wrong and that is the point.
3. We can settle this fake "if it's covered it means something" game. Let's throw out all songs on both of our lists that have NOT been covered. Some of your favorites would go bye-bye. Covers don't mean squat.
4. Jobs didn't work well so now we hinge the argument on a gambling addict ex-basketball player's career. Geez, Mamey -- what's next?, an assertion that Islands in the Stream is a top 10 Hemingway book.
ps: the Jeremiah "chicken roosting" Wright comment has been my favorite zinger. Has me cracking up as I type this.
MAMEY POP QUIZ OF THE DAY
ReplyDeleteWhat's easier to find:
a. Obama's birth certificate
b. Waldo in a picture
c. WMDs in Iraq
d. Blood in a turnip
e. A good Jesus song by Dylan, or
f. A fact in the Alcalde's rant?
COVERING THE FACTS
ReplyDeleteSo far, the only "fact-based" argument that Mamey lobs out has something to do with how many times a Dylan song has been covered and that somehow that count endorses his Top 25 list. When directly confronted with his self-created covergate, he claims that covers are not the end-all, be-all measurement. BUT - he does not offer anything other than covers to factually support his rankings.
Yet, stubbornly and blindly, Mamey claims to embrace and adhere to fact-based debates when attacking El Alcalde for not proving facts. Here are some simple, straight-talk, direct "yes or no" questions for Dr Mamey to see if he is truly sincere about the importance of facts to a debate or whether it is his willy-nilly "look at the puppies" distraction when caught in a web of ignorance. NOTE: His POSTS are ignorant, not Mamey (lest we hear another "attacking me is not an agenda" whine)
1. Yes or No. Does proof that there is more than one cover to the post-Desire songs listed on Alcalde's top 25 cause Mamey to change his mind? (Clearly it will cause him to ditch whatever useless search engine he uses).
2. Yes or No. Is evidence that Mamey's adored musicians, performing artists, producers (Clive) agree that post-Desire songs belong in the Top 25, change his mind? O
3. Yes or No. Is proof that certain 'junky Jesus" songs have been covered more that some of Mamey's Top 25 change his mind about his rankings and his reliance on covers as a convenient fig-leaf?
4. Yes or No. Is proof that certain of Mamey's Top 25/Top 45 songs have NEVER been covered change his mind that cover counts mean anything?
El Alcalde
News Bulletin! Questions are not facts, even goofy questions. Facts are facts. You attack my facts with table punding, ad hominem attacks, and questions, but provide no facts of your own.
ReplyDeleteWhere's the beef? What great artists have covered your 3 songs? I've told you the names of some of the great artists who covered many of the songs that you discarded to make room for your 3 amigos. Show us the goods already or does the emperor have no clothes?
If you want to discard some of my other picks, go ahead and say which ones. It's a free country. You're welcome to go back and remove some or all of the songs that you agreed were top 25. John Kerry was for supporting our troops before he was against it, but at least he was specific. Finally, check the language in my posts. No contradictions, personal attacks, ortable pounding anywhere. I explained why covers were an important consideration, but never said that they were the ONLY consideration. Nitpick and bluster to your heart's delight, but in your heart of hearts you know I'm right.
Just why in the dickens have you not identified the great artists that have covered your 3 amigos? Are they on double secret probation?
PS: The Jesus songs suck and I will be in Chicago this weekend and verify that
they haven't even been covered by the pimps and panhandlers that loiter out side
Jeremiah Wright's church. Hopefully you'll see your way clear to educating us on
just who those great artists are that you say have covered this mush.
Mamey
specific.
Just as I thought. Even if presented with facts, Mamey would not change his opinion. Too bad that Mamey can launch an extensive noun and verb filled attack but just cannot bring himself to answer "yes or no" questions. What difference, if any, will it make if I identify another cover? If none, what's the use. The sun's not yellow, it's chicken. Why won't you answer questions? Why? GRIDLOCK!!!
ReplyDeleteEl Alcalde
Shots have been fire, but no obvious direct hits. It would seem that Mamey has some wounds, but as we have especially seen over the last four years, not answering questions or going over old talking points is a way to keep people from seeing the blood. A person who ask yes or no questions feels a bit more confident about his position, a person dodging them believes it is more beneficial to keep matters in a haze.
ReplyDeleteDiamond E
Truth be told, Mamey's declaration that Dylan's best songs were written pre-Street Legal is on target. His error, and a common error among radicals, is to over-make his point and create a French Revolution style Reign of Terror from those that dissent. Intolerance for other opinions:
ReplyDelete"Now at midnight all the agents
And the superhuman crew
Come out and round up everyone
That knows more than they do"
Bob Dylan - Desolation Row
To cloud the issue and with a series of bizarre posts that range from Steve Jobs to Michael Jordan to Rev. Wright to John Kerry, Robespierre Mamey opts to selectively lean on # of covers as a pseudo-proxy for whether one song is better than another. Selectively. His first mistake, borne out of either ignorance or laziness or a defunct search engine, is saying that among my 3 post-Desire songs to creep into the Top 25, there has only been one cover. From later posts, I assume he means The Band cover of Blind Willie McTell. And from there the Fact Man blathers about objectivity, where are the facts, who has the beef, blah blah blah.
I previously mentioned that his cover count is (1) irrelevant because even if proven wrong it won't change his mind (2) certain of his Top songs were never covered (3) the vilified Jesus songs were frequently covered and one won a Grammy (unlike any pre-Street Legal). "Things have Changed" won an Oscar in 2001.
Still, Mamey drones on about my lack of facts. Well, allow me to provide just a glimpse of my ammunition that would totally discredit the silly Covergate crap. Besides The Band, these are the covers for Blind Willie McTell:
This song has been covered by many artists, including:
Scott Holt
Mick Taylor
Tom Russell
Southside Johnny & Little Steven
Tex, Don and Charlie
Dream Syndicate
Elliott Murphy & Iain Matthews
Peter Mulvey & Jeffrey Foucault
Charlie Parr
The White Stripes
The Allman Brothers Band
Dutch band De Dijk
Stephen Stills
Tom Morello, The Nightwatchman
Like I asserted earlier, if Mamey's rooster-proud FACTS are sooooo wrong right off the bat, then where else is he wrong? Mamey will now surely pivot and ditch the Covergate strategy quicker than Obama dumped Rev. Wright (sorry Mamey -- I covered your one-liner).
The worst part about Mamey's rankings was notching Quin the Eskimo so far higher than Visions of Johanna and Shelter from the Storm. That lapse is actually worse than Mamey wanting to downgrade Mississippi, Blind Willie etc..
Rolling Stone magazine published a Top 70 Dylan list in 2011 (to mark Bob's 70th b-day. Exactly 3 songs made it to Top 25, just like my list. Except RS inserted Every Grain of Sand at #10 (stupid) and I had Red River Shore. Both the RS and my list had Mississippi and Blind Willie McTell in the Top 25. However, the RS survey only had 3 post-Desire songs among the next 20. I was more generous with 9 or so. So Mamey may have a stronger case here, but I still hold to my rankings.
Again, Mamey was essentially correct that pre-Street Legal Dylan dominates the past 36 years. Dominates but not a shut-out. Coming up with the list was much tougher than I thought it was as each tune, taken by itself, seems to merit a higher ranking. So Mamey wins the larger debate but I don't think he can claim occupied dominance over enemy-territory. And he needs to ditch his sucky-ass search engine.
El Alcalde
There you go again! Now I'm a xxxx , French no less, because I pointed out that the emperor who failed to put on his clothes after Desire was nevertheless celebrated by his die-hard fans. This Robespierre attack is in addition to other personal attacks which accuse me of imaginary crimes, none worse that daring to employ colorful analogies and (sin of sins!) using a crappy search engine!!
ReplyDeleteSo now you think 9 of Dylan's top 20 are pre-Desire? Really, Alcalde? I guess people who love the Jesus junk may really believe this and there's nothing wrong with that. Hey, I'm sure there are people out there who love Goth Rap music and
that's their right, but it's just not objective to argue that this is great music.
Quinn the Eskimo has not only been covered by great artists(see Oct. 31 post), but is also the title and title song of a terrific Denzel Washington movie(The Mighty Quinn) that was made many, many years after the song was released. Y
Quinn may not be your favorite, but it is one of Dylan's most influential songs and has also influenced many artists like Sixto Rodriguez, whose songs became the anthems for the white South Africans opposing apartheid. Did you know that when you kicked the song out of the top 25?
Mamey
Never said that 9 of top 20 were pre-Street Legal. I said 3 of top 25 are. I mentioned that 10 of 26-45 are post-Desire (please read what I wrote carefully before launching reckless scuds).
ReplyDeleteMost amusing is that you don't seem sidetracked that your bombastic claim of only one cover was easily discredited. You just don't have command of the FACTS and when confronted with them, just look the other way. Kinda like Obama with Libya: "your questioning my administration offends me"
Oh MY GOD!!!! Quin the Eslimo -- a song about a drug dealer -- became an anthem for white SA's opposed to apartheid!?!? Really, I didn't know that. Let's rank it #1. Anthems are the new proxy for highly ranked songs now that covers are a four-letter word.
Did you know that "Gotta Serve Somebody" won a Grammy and "Things Have Changed" won an Oscar and Cold Irons Bound also won a Grammy. But no, self-proclaimed anthems are better indicators of top quality songs -- unless of course Quin had won a Grammy and then Grammy winners are the victors. Let us not allow facts to interrupt ideology.
Up to you Mamey, you can either explain why you repeatedly boasted that there is only one cover of the 3 post-Desire songs I ranked in Top 25 to only be proven wrong? Or -- you can hide within the crevices of your useless search engine/fact book. It doesn't matter, I knew that the FACTS were on my side and just allowed you repeat your bad facts. Where else are you wrong? Do you want to fess up now or should I continue to list covers that you missed? You can, say, do some research on Mississippi and see if it has been covered. And you can be on the road to redemption by contritely retracting and setting the record straight. Then you can answer this: Were your facts wrong or did you think no one would notice?
El Alcalde
ps: For what it's worth. Compared to the Rolling Stone survey:
ReplyDeleteTOP 10: Alcalde coincided on 6; Mamey on 5
TOP 25: Alcalde coincided on 14; Mamey on 12.
Pretty close.
pss: Mamey, please don't tell us that the Quin the Eskimo research was conducted using the same search engine/Book of Facts used for your discredited "one-cover" argument. You can surely do better.
The teller really is the feller.
ReplyDelete1. I did NOT say that Quinn the Eskimo as the anthem of the anti-apartheid movement. Congratulations on a classic "straw man" argument--a good addition to your wheelhouse of goofy questions, character assassination, personal attacks based on imaginary events, etc..
2. Only someone who loves the Jesus caca can say that 12 post-Desire songs belong in Dylan's top 45. No even your bible and unrepentant left-wing political rag Rolling Stone make that preposterous claim. Great source for old Hippies with fried brains who hang out with yahoos like Keith Olberman, but not much else.
Oh yeah, just how many Grammy nominations did Like a Rolling Stone receive? Case closed!
Mamey
Worse yet -- Let me see.. Quin the Eskimo's high ranking is because the dude that covered it sang anthems for the anti-apartheid movement?
ReplyDeleteAre you ever going to answer the question that strikes directly at the accuracy of the information that spews from your fingertips: Why on earth did you say and repeat the now discredited claim that among the 3 post-Desire songs to enter my top 25 there was only one cover? After much taunting and baiting and missives from you, I just showed that there are 15 covers to only ONE of the 3 songs. Your response to this FACT: SILENCE.
Either your information was bad or you intentionally tried to deceive your faithful readers. Just come clean, as anything else you write is correctly taken with a ton of salt. Why on earth should anyone believe that you have command (or even an odor) of the facts? The teller tells tall tales or speaks with forked tongue.
El Alcalde
Alcalde, there you go again! I gave many reasons why Quinn the Eskimo deserves a high ranking, including important covers, a terrific Denzel Washington movie, influence on other important artists and social movements,etc. What have you done for the 3 amigos, other than a few covers for one--and only one--of them?
ReplyDeleteI feel like I'm in a time machine. I did not, repeat, did not, say that covers were the only factor, did I? Answer "yes" or "no" please. No obfuscation.
To be sure, they are an important indicator of a song's popularity. For example, you kicked out a song, Don't Think Twice, It's all Right, that was covered by Johnny Cash and ELVIS! That's crazy!
I did NOT say that Blind Willie was a bad song, just like MJ was not a bad player for the Wizards, but he wasn't Air Jordan anymore. Likewise, Blind Willie is obviously not top 45. No movie, less influential, fewer covers, etc.
You don't answer my questions, so why expect me to answer yours?
Besides, your admission that you love the Jesus albums, which belong in a toxic waste dump, proves my case. Tanks a lot, Molly.
Mamey
Mamey's arguments would have better standing if his facts had not been so discredited. Cannot be trusted factually and unwilling to admit to instances when PROVEN wrong. Will not even go back and validate whether his other "facts" are true (HINT- they are not)
ReplyDeleteBlind Willie McTell is a great song. Has been covered many times and WAS in a movie and was ranked in Top 25 by Rolling Stone survey. Now, does that change Mamey's mind or will we all see another juke and jive move?
Also, some very popular TV series routinely play post-Desire songs as part of episodes. Does that matter?
El Alcalde
Question, questions, questions, blah, blah, blah, but what else can we expect from a lover of the Jesus dregs!
ReplyDeleteMamey
True....many questions directed at Mamey's discredited facts.
ReplyDeleteNow we're down to Keith Olberman/Rolling Stone/bottom the barrel logic: one bad search engine discredits the merits of 21 of Dylan's best, most influential songs and validates the Jesus morass. Got it!
ReplyDeleteMamey
Begrudingly, and kicking and moaning, Mamey admits to a sucky search engine as the culprit of his only "objective" argument against my ranking of 3 post-Desire songs as Top 25. Mamey, this would be a good time to identify other "facts" you chunked out that emanated from the same worthless search engine --- just to come clean. I would never expect Mamey to explain why he cllinged to the useless search engine after I told him it was incorrect. Next thing, Mamey will blame some YouTube video trailer by some shadowy character for the discredited facts.
ReplyDeleteSo...with God but without facts on his side... How does Mamey disqualify the 3 songs for reasions other than "I just don't like them as much". So its back to where we started. It's subjective. And surveys of other subjective surveys suggest that Mamey is in a unique minority. Nothing wrong with that...but facts are facts.
El Alcalde
ps: didn't know that Rolling Stone's commie politics leads it to like post-Desire songs. Must be another "fact" from that crack search engine Mamey relies on.
El Alcalde